Sunday, September 20, 2009


If a Christian tells you they have never experienced any major problems or knock down suffering in life what do you think? Is it possible for a Christian never to have suffered?


Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

Bro Dan:

I am working on another topic for the blog, which is taking up much of my time, so I will have to give you the best article ever for suffering, besides the writings by John Piper on this topic. I will also send my comments that we had on this topic at CSI. You asked this same question then. This article was sent to me by GirlFriday.

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

Why Christians Suffer

J. Hampton Keathley III

Why me? Why now? What is God doing? Suffering is a tool God uses to get our attention and to accomplish His purposes in our lives. It is designed to build our trust in the Almighty, but suffering requires the right response if it is to be successful in accomplishing God's purposes. Suffering forces us to turn from trust in our own resources to living by faith in God's resources. Suffering is not in itself virtuous, nor is it a sign of holiness. It is also not a means of gaining points with God, or of subduing the flesh (as in asceticism). When it is possible, suffering is to be avoided. Christ avoided suffering unless it meant acting in disobedience to the Father's will. "In the day of prosperity be happy, But in the day of adversity consider-God has made the one as well as the other so that man may not discover anything that will be after him" (Eccl. 7:14)
The following questions are designed to help us "consider" in the day of adversity:
(1) How am I responding to it?
(2) How should I respond to it?
(3) Am I learning from it?
(4) Does my response demonstrate faith, love for God and for others, Christ-like character, values, commitment, priorities, etc.?
(5) How can God use it in my life?
Suffering Defined
What are these bends in the road that God puts in the path of life that we are to carefully consider? Simply stated, suffering is anything which hurts or irritates. In the design of God, it is also something to make us think. It is a tool God uses to get our attention and to accomplish His purposes in our lives in a way that would never occur without the trial or irritation. Illustrations of Suffering "It may be cancer or a sore throat. It may be the illness or loss of someone close to you. It may be a personal failure or disappointment in your job or school work. It may be a rumor that is circulating in your office or your church, damaging your reputation, bringing you grief and anxiety."1 It can be anything that ranges from something as small and irritating as the bite of a mosquito to facing a lion in the lions' den as did Daniel (Dan. 6).
General Causes of Suffering
(1) We suffer because we live in a fallen world where sin reigns in the hearts of men.
(2) We suffer because of our own foolishness. We reap what we sow (Gal. 6:7-9).
(3) We sometimes suffer because it is God's discipline. "For those whom the Lord loves he disciplines, and he scourges every son He receives" (Heb. 12:6).
(4) We may suffer persecution because of our faith-especially when we take a stand on biblical issues, i.e., suffering for righteousness sake (2 Tim. 3:12)
. Of course, all of these do not apply at the same time. All suffering is not, for instance, a product of our own foolishness, self-induced misery, or sin. It is true, however, that rarely does suffering not reveal areas of need, areas of weakness, and wrong attitudes that need to be removed like dross in the gold-refining process (cf. 1 Pet. 1:6-7). In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; (1 Peter 1:6-7)

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

The Nature of Suffering
(1) Suffering is Painful. Suffering is hard; it is never easy. Regardless of what we know and how hard we apply the principles, it is going to hurt (cf. 1 Pet. 1:6-"distressed"=lupeo, "to cause pain, sorrow, grief").
(2) Suffering is Perplexing. Suffering is somewhat mysterious.We may know some of the theological reasons for suffering from Scripture, yet when it strikes, there is still a certain mystery. Why now? What is God doing? Suffering is designed to build our trust in the Almighty.
(3) Suffering is Purposeful. Suffering is not without meaning in spite of its mystery. It has as its chief purpose the formation of Christ-like character (Rom. 8:28-29). And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren; (Romans 8:28-29)
(4) Suffering Proves (tests) Us. "Trials" in James 1:2 is the Greek peirasmos and refers to that which examines, tests, and proves the character or integrity of something. "Testing" in this same verse is dokimion which has a similar idea. It refers to a test designed to prove or approve. Suffering is that which proves one's character and integrity along with both the object and quality of one's faith. Compare 1 Peter 1:6-7 where the same Greek words are used along with the verb dokimazo which means, "put to the test," "prove by testing as with gold."
(5) Suffering is a Process. As a process, it takes time. The results God seeks to accomplish with the trials of life require time and thus also, endurance. Romans 5:3-4 3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; James 1:3-4 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
(6) Suffering is a Purifier. No matter the reason, even if it is not God's discipline for blatant carnality, it is a purifier for none of us will ever be perfect in this life. Philippians 3:12-14 12 Not that I have already obtained it, or have already become perfect, but I press on in order that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
(7) Suffering Provides Opportunity. Suffering provides opportunity for God's glory, our transformation, testimony, and ministry, etc. (See reasons for suffering given below.)

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

(8) Suffering Requires Our Cooperation. Suffering requires the right response if it is to be successful in accomplishing God's purposes. "We all want the product, character; but we don't want the process, suffering."2 Because of our make up as human beings, we can't have one without the other.
(9) Suffering is Predetermined or Appointed.
1 Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
(10) Suffering is Inevitable. The question we must each face is not, 'if' we are going to have trials in life, but how will we respond to them? 1 Thessalonians 3:3 so that no man may be disturbed by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we have been destined for this. 1 Peter 4:19 Therefore, let those also who suffer according to the will of God entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.
(11) Suffering is a Struggle. It's going to be a battle all the way. That's why they are called "trials" and "testings." Even when we understand the purposes and principles of suffering, and we know the promises of God's love and concern given in the Word of God for handling suffering, dealing with the trials of life is never easy because suffering hurts. Trials simply give us the capacity to cooperate with the process (Jam. 1:4). They allow the process to work and allow us to experience inner peace and joy in the midst of the trials. In order to handle suffering with inner joy and tranquillity, we must be able to look ahead to God's purposes and reasons for suffering. This requires faith in the eternal verities of God. Compare the blessings of affliction as seen in the testimony of the Psalmist in Ps. 119:

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

Before affliction
Straying and ignoring (vs. 67a)
During and in affliction
Learning and turning (vs. 71, cf. vs. 59) When under affliction we need to:
(1) Determine Causes if we can (Is it because of something I have done?)
(2) Determine Objectives (What is God wanting to do in my life or in others?)
(3) Determine Solutions (How does God want me to handle this?)
After affliction
(1) Knowing and changing (vss. 67b, 97-102)
(2) Resting and valuing (vss. 65, 72). We must understand God's chief purpose for our lives is to be conformed to the image of Christ and He has determined in His plan to use suffering for our spiritual development. If we are going to endure suffering and the trials of life, however, we must also understand and believe in the other purposes and reasons for suffering as they are related to the chief purpose.
Purposes and Reasons for Suffering
(1) We suffer as a testimony, as a witness (2 Tim 2:8-10; 2 Cor. 4:12-13; 1 Pet. 3:13-17). When believers handle suffering joyfully and with stability, it becomes a marvelous testimony to the power and life of Christ that we claim and name. Suffering provides key opportunities to manifest and magnify the power of God through His servants in order to verify and confirm the messenger and his message. It provides opportunities to reveal our credentials as ambassadors of Christ (1 Kings 17:17-24; John 11:1-45). This includes the following areas:
a. To glorify God before the angelic world (Job 1-2; 1 Pet. 4:16).
b. To manifest the power of God to others (2 Cor. 12:9, 10; John 9:3).
c. To manifest the character of Christ in the midst of suffering as a testimony to win others to Christ (2 Cor. 4:8-12; 1 Pet. 3:14-17).
(2) We suffer to develop our capacity and sympathy in comforting others (2 Cor. 1:3-5).
(3) We suffer to keep down pride (2 Cor. 12:7). The Apostle Paul saw his thorn in the flesh as an instrument allowed by God to help him maintain a spirit of humility and dependence on the Lord because of the special revelations he had seen as one who had been caught up to the third heaven.

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

(4) We suffer because it is a training tool. God lovingly and faithfully uses suffering to develop personal righteousness, maturity, and our walk with Him (Heb. 12:5f; 1 Pet. 1:6; Jam. 1:2-4). In this sense, suffering is designed:
a. As discipline for sin to bring us back to fellowship through genuine confession (Ps. 32:3-5; 119:67).
b. As a pruning tool to remove dead wood from our lives (weaknesses, sins of ignorance, immature attitudes and values, etc.) The desired goal is increased fruitfulness (John 15:1-7). Trials may become mirrors of reproof to reveal hidden areas of sin and weakness (Ps. 16:7; 119:67, 71).
c. As a tool for growth designed to cause us to rely on the Lord and His Word. Trials test our faith and cause us to use the promises and principles of the Word (Ps. 119:71, 92; 1 Pet. 1:6; Jam. 1:2-4; Ps. 4:1 [The Hebrew of this passage can mean, "You have enlarged, made me grow wide by my distress"]). Suffering or trials teach us the truth of Psalm 62:1-8, the truth of learning to "wait on the Lord only."
d. As a means of learning what obedience really means. It becomes a test of our loyalty (Heb. 5:8). Illustration: If a father tells his son to do something he likes to do (i.e., eat a bowl of ice cream) and he does it, the child has obeyed, but he hasn't really learned anything about obedience. If his dad, however, asks him to mow the lawn, that becomes a test and teaches something about the meaning of obedience. The point is, obedience often costs us something and is hard. It can require sacrifice, courage, discipline, and faith in the belief that God is good and has our best interests at heart regardless of how things might appear to us. Regardless of the reason God allows suffering into our lives, rarely does it not reveal areas of need, weaknesses, wrong attitudes, etc., as it did in Job. Suffering itself is not the thing that produces faith or maturity. It is only a tool that God uses to bring us to Himself so we will respond to Him and His Word. It forces us to turn from trust in our own resources to living by faith in God's resources. It causes us to put first things first. Ultimately, it is the Word and the Spirit of God that produces faith and mature Christlike character (Ps. 119:67, 71). James 1:2-4; 1 Pet. 1:6-7: The key word is "the proof of our faith." "Proof" is the word dokimion which looks at both the concept of testing which purifies, and the results, the proof that is left after the test. The Lord uses trials to test our faith in the sense of purifying it, to bring it to the surface, so we are forced to put our faith to work.
(5) We suffer to bring about continued dependence on the grace and power of God. Suffering is designed to cause us to walk by God's ability, power, and provision rather than by our own (2 Cor. 11:24-32; 12:7-10; Eph. 6:10f; Ex. 17:8f). It causes us to turn from our resources to His resources.
(6) We suffer to manifest the life and character of Christ (The Fruit of the Spirit) (2 Cor. 4:8-11; Phil. 1:19f). This is similar to point (4) above with more emphasis on the process and defining the objective, the production of the character of Christ. This has both a negative and a positive aspect:
a. Negative: Suffering helps to remove impurities from our lives such as indifference, self-trust, false motives, self-centeredness, wrong values and priorities, and human defense and escape mechanisms by which we seek to handle our problems (man-made solutions). Suffering in itself does not remove the impurities, but is a tool God uses to cause us to exercise faith in the provisions of God's grace. It is God's grace in Christ (our new identity in Christ, the Word and the Holy Spirit) that changes us. This negative aspect is accomplished in two ways:

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

(1) When out of fellowship with the Lord: Suffering becomes discipline from our heavenly Father (Heb. 5:5-11; 1 Cor. 11:28-32; 5:1-5). This involves known sin, rebellion and indifference to God.
(2) When in fellowship: Suffering becomes the loving and skillful handy work of the Vine Dresser to make us more productive. It involves unknown sin, areas we may not be aware of, but that are nevertheless hindering our growth and fruitfulness. In this case, suffering often constitutes mirrors of reproof (John 15:1-7).
b. Positive: when believers live under suffering joyfully (i.e., they endure and keep on applying the promises and principles of the faith), Christ's life or character will be more and more manifested as they grow through the suffering (2 Cor. 4:9-10; 3:18). This means trust, peace, joy, stability, biblical values, faithfulness, and obedience in contrast to sinful mental attitudes, blaming, running, complaining, and reactions against God and people.
(7) We suffer to manifest the evil nature of evil men and the righteousness of the justice of God when it falls in judgment (1 Thess. 2:14-16). Suffering at the hands of people (persecution, violent treatments) is used of God to "fill up the measure of their sins." It shows the evil character of those who persecute others and the justice of God's judgment when it falls.
(8) We suffer to broaden our ministries (cf. Philippians 1:12-14 with 4:5-9). In the process of producing Christian character and enhancing our testimony to others, suffering often opens up doors for ministry we could never have imagined. Paul's imprisonment (chained daily to Roman soldiers in his own house) resulted in the spread of the gospel within the elite imperial praetorian guard. The Apostle was undoubtedly continuing to rejoice in the Lord, but if he had been complaining, sulking, and bitter, his witness would have been zero.

1 Ron Lee Davis, Gold in the Making, Thomas Nelson, Nashville, 1983p. 17-18.
2 Davis, p. 19. See also p. 32.

J. Hampton Keathley III, Th.M. is a 1966 graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary and a former pastor of 28 years. Hampton currently writes for the Biblical Studies Foundation and on occasion teaches New Testament Greek at Moody Northwest (an extension of Moody Bible Institute) in Spokane, Washington.

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

No, I do not think it is possible for a person to be a Christian without suffering.

Suffering for Christ is like air is to the lungs, they go hand in hand.

"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together (Rom 8:17)."

"If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us (2 Tim 2;12)."

Romans 8:17 tells us that we are part of Christ's family because we suffer with Him. So in essence suffering is an inheritance in a way. That sounds a bit funny, but in order for us to be joint heirs, we must suffer. We inherit the suffering gene, so to speak, to be partakers of the glory of God. Suffering is God's way of sanctifying us, so without it we are still dead in our sins.

This is not what I was going to post from ITM, but maybe later.

Daniel Shepherd said...

Good post sis,

Does Genesis 50:20 then sum it all up?

What say you?

bro Dan

Mary Elizabeth Tyler said...

Yes, I believe Gen 50:20 does a nice summation. God works everything for our good, from cancer, to abuse, to bitterness, to idolatry, to old age, to divorce, to death. Nothing is ever stagnent, all things find a purpose with God for those who are called according to His purpose.

Even the wicked were made with a purpose in mind. "The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil (Pro 16:4)."

Dan said...

Well done sis,
You have presented a wealth of good information and insight. I really enjoy going into the deeper meaning of the Lord's Word. I know you do too.

Love to you and yours,

bro Dan